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Theo Von with Donald Trump Podcast on Addiction and Recovery Transcription ( 16:52 32:22) and I said that is perfect he said Ill do it again I said dont do it again because youll never be able to hit a shot that good and it was really amazing hes a hes great and and Bob really do it again hes really having an amazing family Bob is great I love Ive been a party at his house you know one thing thats really nice about him is Ill go do something with him and then like a few days later hell send a nice note or hell send like a photo like a frame photo just say hey man I had a nice time yeah um yeah yeah notice that the events you dont drink and you dont drink or smoke right I dont drink or smoke you never have no I never have I had a great brother who taught me a lesson Dont drink dont drink and he said dont smoke he smoked and he drank and he was great guy he was a handsome very handsome guy hes the older he was older quite a bit older yeah and he would he had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot but you know I tell people no drugs no drinking no cigarettes yeah I tell that my kids all the time Id say no drugs no drinking as well and it was he had well hed always tell me its a never so he was you know really old enough that you would look up to somebody and Id look up to him anyway you admire him yeah I admired a lot so much about him he had so much going had to look he was unbelievable personality like an incredible Person he was his name Donald his name was Fred Fred Trump and he had a problem with alcohol he got addicted to it because its and you know they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of Ive I dont know if youve ever heard that I wasnt recovery actually Ive been in Ive been in recovery so like most of the last 10 years from alcohol from drugs and alcohol drug which is worse for me drugs is the problem but if I have a drink then I its tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it sets off a change yeah but is which is hard at quit Ive heard alcohol is hard to quit then drugs if that makes sense I dont know oh yeah I mean I can only imagine because its probably more readily available or readily when its social and you sit and everyones drinking and all yes everybodys eating like you know Xanax is or something you know you see people are having like a mint you know a mint julep or something a little fancier Negroni I just learned about right but yeah so you have a problem with that yeah oh that its been in my family my family its like yeah can you away from it yeah Ive done a good job I mean how long have you been off I go to recovery meetings Ive been off most recently to a little over two years do you ever go back on yeah Ive had stents where I go back on and and and you dont control it its it gets it goes down here so you think its gonna be easy to control and then youre damn yeah go-kart and racing with hookers and stuff gets bad its not to do it right so then in the end youre like after not do it did you see like with your brother did you could you see it or anything like oh yeah man I was amazed because he had so much going at everything going I think he probably it happened in college a fraternity maybe or I dont know somewhere along the line that happened and all of us in you know this is not unique this is a very common story unfortunately but and then the family would see it and start to notice it and it didnt get better it didnt get better I was amazed you know he lived for so long in bad conditions you know and in terms of I was amazed at his body could hold that it held out and it had bad moments and but his body was unbelievably strong that it could that it could withstand this its a body Rochester resilient yeah do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him I do and Im sorry to ask about it all right well you know the reason its good talking about it is it might help other people if it helps one other person its worth the conversation for talk about that stuff a lot on our on our podcast yeah a lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism addiction intimacy disorders all types of stuff you know so its like a its pretty kind of normal conversation but you know the interesting thing is and I tell people so I never had a cigarette and Ive never had a glass of alcohol and my brother was incredible he would tell me because you had a problem and its they dont ever drink dont ever smoke hed always add smoking because he did smoke a lot which is you know not very healthy but he said dont ever drink dont ever drink hed tell me every time I said dont ever drink because he had this yeah addiction and I never had a glass of alcohol never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him and I would say that if I did drink I could you know conceivably be the type of Personality that would have yeah like you that would have a problem but I never had and the only thing I said to people is if too late for the people that youre talking about but if you dont drink you dont miss it I mean I I dont even think about alcohol or right its not a part of your world I dont think about cigarettes I dont think about any of that if you if you dont take drugs or if you dont have alcohol its really easy not to drink it its one I had a friend who went to the Wharton School of Finance with me he was a very smart guy where is it Wharton School thats in Philadelphia thats it yeah Rocky right and its a great great school great business school and its part of the University of Pennsylvania the business school its a nice down there yeah my friends brother went there or something well he was smart because its a great school and but this this person that I met he hated the taste of scotch hey hated it couldnt stand it but he insisted on having it because he wanted he felt it was important to be able to drink I said no just dont drink he said you know to be successful in business you have to sort of interact and you have to drink and I said dont do it anyway he became an unbelievable alcoholic uncontrollable alcohol I think like he does yeah and he died he was a you know he but he hated the taste of scotch and he said he couldnt live without it literally well I think I noticed a lot of like in the recovery rooms and stuff its a lot of people that have their missing something inside of them and so they could be they take on like you know so they want to try and fill it up with something else yeah do you remember the last time you spent with your brother I do and he had periods where to get sick very sick and we thought would lose him or we lost him he get better and that happened five or six times I mean were you thought you lost them and then he got better and it was amazing I mean he was you know certainly very strong in that sense and I just tell people its its so tragic dont drink just dont drink yeah and youre not gonna have a problem like even you if you didnt drink you would never but you probably maybe wouldnt be successful like you are you know as part of your story helped me a lot yeah yeah because I dont know what would happen probably I think its just too risky it is whats something that you miss about him or like that they yeah like whats something that you miss about him Fred well he was wise and sense I mean think of it hes got this problem and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem and I couldnt have been successful if I had that problem yeah if I had that problem and I think maybe Im a personality type where it could have had the problem if I drank but if you dont drink youre never going to have it I mean I dont miss when I see somebody light up a cigarette and just theyre in heaven I dont miss that at all its weird its so Nate its very native American isnt it crazy bizarre and you know I think sometimes our older brothers they kind of like they take the speed bumps for us like as younger brother so that we dont have to you dont say into that you dont talk about my brother went to a lot of stuff so that I didnt have to go through it and then I get to see him and learn is he okay now yeah hes doing great now yeah hes doing great now but its just its like yeah thats one of the blessings I think of having an older brother well you can learn through history too whether even if its not a brother its by watching other people I mean you can see if you have a friend whos an alcoholic or even just by reading about people you can learn oh yeah it doesnt necessarily have to be a brother but in this case it was very personal it was a brother and I learned not to drink and I learned not to smoke cigarettes now I dont know that I would have smoked cigarettes I probably would have drank and I think you know theres no reason not to drink but I had a reason because he told me you know just that was it yeah thats kind of a blessing then huh yeah and where did you did they um did you guys ever do anything fun together like one nice memory that you have with him he had a great talent for flying he was a pilot oh sweet and he loved it and he never fly with him I did I flow with him he was a great pilot and a very talented other Pilots would come to his house to study with him watch him fly and he was really talented that but ultimately had to give that because of the alcohol he had to give that up which was a hard thing for him to do but he had to give all Election Day is coming up on November 5th and theres this really cool website send the vote.com that makes it easy to register to vote its nonpartisan which means they dont care who youre voting for they just want to make sure you can vote head over to send the vote.com theyll help you sign up register and even check if youre good to go Ill drop a link in the podcast description lets all get out there and cast our votes this November again that is send the vote.com s e n d t h e v o t e.com AI might be the most important new computer technology ever its storming every industry and literally 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wasnt like Dont drink dont take drugs I dont think drugs I dont even know where theyre even a factor they happened pretty long time ago but I think in those days I dont think were drugs a factor you go back 25 years ago like it is now well certainly not like now and yeah and that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about like um alcoholism and addiction is something thats really ramped up even like youre saying like in the past 20 30 years in our country right and during the opioid epidemic they estimate that like almost 600,000 people died yeah and and that isnt even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and Circles of trust you know just people that lost a brother didnt include that actual the siblings right you know and so the ripple effect of that is huge and and theres that theres that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it you know they had a financial slap on the wrist but were one of the only countries that allows drugs advertisements and farm pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television like what do you think is or things that you can do to help curtail that when you get in office so well we did a great job we had to make sense or not yes it does make sense and we had committees Blue Ribbon committees in certain cases but committees that would meet the big problem we have is you know fentanyl is probably the biggest opioid is bad opioids bad too yeah I think thats bad because everyone thinks you know many cases they think theyre going to do away with pain and literally the time is so short if you take it for like two weeks here almost addicted to it its incredible when you oh the whole yeah all of that is horrible but why do we allow it to get addicted how to know I would just do cocaine I was really yeah so not just yeah and it was Darren thats down and dirty right yeah and this is yeah this I mean it was yeah but you dont anymore I dont do it anymore man and Im not doing is it too much too much to handle some of the stuff started to get a real rattle in it too I dont know where it we were even getting it from in this country but yes started to make me feel like I was on Mechanic or so the thing you go back to then its alcohol for the most part right yeah but well what I want probably is cocaine but I know that if I have a drink and itll give me itll like be like okay well I had a drink and I can do this is cocaine a stronger oh yeah yeah yeah you weigh up with cocoa and more than anything else you can think of Hamilton homie you know what Im saying itll be youll be out on your own porch you know yeah youll youll be your own Street Lamp youre freaking and is that a good feeling well its a miserable feeling but you do it anyway just like the guy youre saying with the scotch like you did you didnt you knew it was bad but you still its not even good during what would be normally the good time in other words oh wow so why would you do it I wouldnt thats why I dont yeah thats but its crazy because thats what alcoholism is I think its that it trumps the why yeah like it doesnt and it just you dont and you just go to its like so thats why they say that its um cunning baffling and Powerful thats what they say about alcoholism and it is its its um which is a bigger problem in our country would you say oh you always like bigger than alcohol oh for sure I think its thats one of the biggest problems like compare that to fentanyl oh yeah well thats the problem is people are making fake opioids because they cant afford real Windsor theyre just getting them off the street and then they put fentanyl in them fentanyl like laced into everything now its horrible its horrible yeah they found someone a baby rattle somewhere I think I dont even know where that was but one of the things I was wanted to ask about was like so theres like the big Pharma lobbyists like theres 1800 big Pharma lobbyists in Washington DC right theres only 535 total Representatives or Senators total so just the fact that theres this whole other almost drug government thats their kind of pushing the you know pushing agendas and influencing things like how do we stop that man it just seems like its obviously killing people like people are dying you know its like what do we have to do that our own government wont help us well you have to stop listening to lobbyists you know I was not a big person for lobbyists and if they have even a little access to like a president or Senator or Congressman or woman or snake eat a lot of money yeah and in some cases they just take the money they dont do anything but you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing and certainly a lot for the all of the things that were talking about the winning alcohol the lobbyists are winning it yeah theyre winning theyre making a lot of money okay can you stop that can a president stop that like how do we stop that well one way you could stop but is to say if youre going to go into government you can never be a lobbyist in many cases they have rules and regulations where you cant do it for four years three years five years whatever you may be a after you were elected official I mean you could you could say that you if youre an elected official or if you work in government you can never be a lobbyist you have people that work in government and they give out contracts to the military and then they leave and they work for them for the people that theyre giving out country thats exactly what happened with the Sackler family with the drug companies they hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws or you know but it drives me outlaw lobbyists or we cant do that well it is a whole constitutional thing there I mean can you make somebody never ever go into the business if youre if you work for government and if you are giving out contracts in other words youre powerful person right in some industry the Navy the Army any you know any thing it could be military procurement Etc theres a whole thing like Zoe question is to you give out a contract and then all of a sudden youre working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract too right its like youre playing both sides in the net well its and its obviously a problem and its a big problem and we were doing things about it but then we had to get down to other businesses we had to solve some we had a lot of problems its pretty clear that the establishment doesnt like you I would say what do you think well I think the people like me oh yeah the people will eating now all the polls were leading and recipes and just came out a little recipe is a very highly regarded Paula were leaving by like leading by Five Points recipe in poll and others also and were doing well but I think the people like me a lot you know I won and then we did No Doubt If this story feels familiar Sobriety talked about openly, the way Theo Von does, is easier to keep with structure around it our 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